http://1morewithfeeling.disqus.com/enMon, 28 Jul 2008 18:39:37 -0000http://markhorne.tumblr.com/post/43617546#comment-1024831<p>Ok, I'm open to issues of fact as to whether this was said or if it is Doug's argument. But this is my last comment, I think on the principle. The principle is, if I say as a representative of Country Y that Country X is doing wrong by engaging in behavior that I know Country Y engates in, then I am being hypocritical.</p>markhorneMon, 28 Jul 2008 18:39:37 -0000http://markhorne.tumblr.com/post/43617546#comment-1024792<p>I didn't allow Iran the right. I only said that it makes sense that they would try to act like they have that right.</p><p>To be honest, Mark. I didn't answer your question at all because I don't know how to. I don't know how to answer the question if applied to my native country. I merely expect both countries to behave as if the other country did not have this right. I expect both countries to act toward their own benefit and the opposition's detriment. I don't know if this behavior is wrong (I suspect not, to be honest). Maybe it is, maybe for both sides, maybe just one.</p><p>But say it is.... I still don't see how it makes such actions hypocritical. Is all wrong doing some subset of hypocrisy? <br></p>Jonathan WMon, 28 Jul 2008 18:34:11 -0000http://markhorne.tumblr.com/post/43617546#comment-1023997<p>Seems to me you avoided hypocrisy by allowing rights to Iran that are being denied in the public discourse that Bandow criticizes.</p>markhorneMon, 28 Jul 2008 17:04:23 -0000http://markhorne.tumblr.com/post/43617546#comment-1023621<p>Don't they try to strengthen their hand while weakening ours? I don't think it's wrong for them to do so.</p><p>To bring this to some kind of America vs Iran thing... yeah, I'm going to cheer for the US to be the "winner" in this contest. So while I think Iran has the complete right to hope for their success and our detriment, as a US citizen, I'm kind of hoping for the US' success and Iran's detriment on this one.</p><p>And this brings me back to the original question: how is this hypocritical? I'm not supposed to choose sides? I'm supposed to act like all countries are morally equivalent when they act in their interests? </p>Jonathan WMon, 28 Jul 2008 16:30:37 -0000http://markhorne.tumblr.com/post/43617546#comment-1023275<p>So is it wrong for Iran to do this, then?</p>markhorneMon, 28 Jul 2008 15:58:57 -0000http://markhorne.tumblr.com/post/43617546#comment-1023161<p>Ok, I must be really dense, Mark...</p><p>If it's ok, as a policy, to hope for your benefit and for your enemies detriment. Why is it hypocritical for your rhetoric to match your policy? Isn't that just being consistent? </p>Jonathan WMon, 28 Jul 2008 15:47:50 -0000http://markhorne.tumblr.com/post/43617546#comment-1022767<p>I'm pretty sure this is about policy rhetoric: condemning other nations for doing wrong things--things which you yourself do.</p>markhorneMon, 28 Jul 2008 15:10:38 -0000http://markhorne.tumblr.com/post/43617546#comment-1022193<p>No, that is precisely what I don't get. Why is it hypocritical to hope that you are stronger than your enemy and that your enemy gets/remains weaker (and taking policy actions to ensure it)? <br></p>Jonathan WMon, 28 Jul 2008 14:21:03 -0000http://markhorne.tumblr.com/post/43617546#comment-1021572<p>It remains hypocrisy to condemn weapons development in general while practicing it oneself.</p>markhorneMon, 28 Jul 2008 13:22:00 -0000http://markhorne.tumblr.com/post/43617546#comment-1020201<p>I don't get statements like this. Isn't that vacuously true for any nation? Wouldn't any nation hope that they can arm themselves and have their enemies disarm? How is that contradictory? </p>Jonathan WMon, 28 Jul 2008 11:10:58 -0000